Recently on “hold off, So is this a Date?” we are joined by Autostraddle Chief Executive Officer and
L Term
expert
Riese Bernard
to go over: The Chart. Yes it’s true! This occurrence is about lesbian interconnectivity â connecting with pals’ exes, buddies connecting with the help of our exes, in addition to culture produced by all those things crisis.
Arrive for news, stay the psychological control. And before that enjoy a game that examinations Christina’s boundaries: Would U-Haul? (Spoiler alert: she usually wouldn’t normally.)
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SHOW RECORDS
+ Five years ago Riese come up with an
Old Hollywood information
that’s the intersection of my personal passions.
+ Here Is
the article
I reference where I mention setting up using my roommates.
+ My personal crush in the few days Mj Rodriguez released a songs movie on her tune
“something you should Say”
!
+ As somebody who has merely observed a handful of attacks of
The Nanny
this montage
of Christina’s crush of the week C.C. Babcock ended up being surprising in my opinion if it turned-out she and Niles commonly both homosexual. (Christina informs me they generally still are.)
Drew:
I would end up being extremely okay with-it present. I’d never ever include another person without their unique authorization. But the notion of each time some body was like, “Confirm that you will be connected with me personally,” I would wind up as, “Yeah, it’s the life i have lived. Really don’t worry about.” Usually unusual? Is that a challenge?
Christina:
No, since if I happened to ben’t, I would personally feel terrible not-being. I would personally be like, “hold off, I am not lying?”
Theme track plays
Drew:
Hi, I’m Drew.
Christina:
Hi, I’m Christina.
Drew:
And thank you for visiting
Hold Off, Is It A Night Out Together?
Christina:
Hold Off, Is This A Date?
is an Autostraddle podcast asking the major questions. To start with, could it possibly be a date? Exactly what are dates? Who’re times? Do we like dates? These are the method of questions that we answer about this right here very expert and beautiful podcast.
Drew:
I’m Drew Gregory. I’m a writer at Autostraddle and a filmmaker and, notoriously, a trans lesbian.
Christina:
My name is Christina Tucker. I’m in addition an author at Autostraddle. I’m a loud queer online. Im recovering at describing my self as an author and, notoriously, a lesbian. That’s us. Which is who our company is.
Drew:
Yeah. Therefore our major subject recently will be the Chart.
Christina:
I simply thought it needed a sting. I don’t know. That felt actually remarkable, but In my opinion it needed it.
Drew:
Yes. No, please, please, please. Thank-you, thanks a lot. No, no, no. The appropriate quantity of drama.
Christina:
Thank-you.
Drew:
Yeah. So we’re dealing with lesbian interconnectivity.
Christina:
I really like that term since it feels like you need to restart the lesbians. It sounds such as the connection to the internet isn’t working.
Drew:
Yes. It’s very higher level, very advanced, but also ‘s been around since there is lesbians, I think.
Christina:
Yeah. I do believe scholars would state after they discovered one lesbian fossils, they discovered a chart alongside ones carved in to the mud. And I genuinely believe that’s what that motion picture is all about, correct? It is more about the data? That motion picture with Kate Winslet as well as the sand fossils?
Drew:
Ammonite?
Christina:
Yeah, that is what it’s about.
Drew:
I wish
Ammonite
involved cavern ladies. I would see that lesbian flick.
Christina:
Well, as I have not seen it, i’ll courageously say that it was. Cool.
Drew:
Yeah. Since it is like we’ve got a lot of lesbian period parts, but we have now never ever gone straight back that much. And I believe it’s the perfect time we do.
Christina:
Why don’t we just keep taking it further back in its history.
Drew:
Before we obtain to the main topic, you are nevertheless learning you. And I thought that it would be fun to try out a casino game in which you dudes could actually get acquainted with Christina. Very our icebreaker with this few days is actually just a little video game that I name “Would U-Haul.”
Christina:
I am, once more, very stressed about this. This could just be the way i-come inside game. This could be my game mindset, slightly high-key, a little stressed. Which is ok. We’re all discovering.
Drew:
In my opinion that is fantastic. I do believe that may make you more susceptible, perhaps.
Christina:
Among my favorite emotions.
Drew:
Simply a horror, only a severe horror. And so the manner in which “Would U-Haul” really works is i’ll explain a situation. Why don’t we call it Christina lover fiction. And I’m gonna pause after each and every little part getting similar, “Okay, Christina, I know which you have never ever lived with someone, don’t want to live with someone. But under these scenarios, would U-Haul?”
Christina:
And I also will either say yes or I’ll say, “I’m prepared.”
Drew:
If you do not â well, we are going to see right here. But I’m thrilled. I think I’ve possibly cracked the signal.
Christina:
You damaged the code? I am excited.
Drew:
Why don’t we find out how long this requires. Of course you never carry out, In my opinion you victory? I am not sure how you will find champions right here.
Christina:
I’m not sure that there exists winners in video game of U-Hauling.
Drew:
Well, I am not sure in the event that you’ll go along with that after this. Thus I’m going to get heading.
Christina:
Reasonable enough.
Drew:
Okay. Therefore, Christina.
Christina:
Drew.
Drew:
You’re at your buddy’s marriage. Inspite of the plethora of romcoms you’ve absorbed, you did perhaps not head to this wedding considering you had satisfy anybody because, really, this is simply not a romcom. This is actually the real and typical life of Christina Grace Tucker. You take your assigned chair and so are glancing at the phone as soon as you understand a woman at the table is wanting at you. She introduces by herself as the pal’s former baby-sitter. She actually is stayed a buddy from the family, but she doesn’t actually know anybody there. She appears to be mid-forties and it has a striking angular face. You begin chatting. She proposes to produce a drink. Once she compares, you recognize she is six feet tall, 6â² 3â³ in heels. Which means you know what? I am merely planning to stop there and become similar, at this point, would U-Haul?
Christina:
I’m intrigued. I’m intrigued because i would get set only at that wedding. But yet I’m not U-Hauling anyplace.
Drew:
Cool. Which is totally reasonable. Completely reasonable. Okay. So that you spend entire wedding ceremony observing each other. There’s only an instantaneous spark and instant chemistry. And certainly, you will do connect therefore the gender is actually amazing.
Christina:
Tight.
Drew:
Therefore this wedding was in Northern California. Which means you both increase your own remains for a few times to screw and explore and eat at restaurants and screw. And you offer to divide the price of the today joint room, but she laughs you down and it is similar, “clearly not, honey.” Therefore, the next three days tend to be miraculous. You think your own wall space tumbling straight down. You’re dropping faster than you ever before have. Would U-Haul?
Christina:
Very only for understanding’s benefit, i am having a difficult time imagining a global in which we took three shock times off of strive to hang out with one i really do not understand. That appears bonkers. However, if i did so, advantageous to me personally. But i am not really U-Hauling at this point. It will likely be a no.
Drew:
Great. Okay. Which is good. You simply met. I have it. I have it. Okay.
Christina:
Thanks really.
Drew:
So she returns to ny therefore come back to Philadelphia.
Christina:
This is where I live.
Drew:
And you are texting everyday. That’s where you live and it’s really in which this lady resides. And you are texting always and you see one another multiple times 30 days. She actually is really hectic together job, but she’s quick to buy you a train solution in order to appear see this lady and remain at her gorgeous brownstone in Fort Greene. After which six months go. And another evening when you’re off to supper, she requires you to definitely move around in together. Would U-Haul?
Christina:
And move to Ny? I don’t really love New York. No, I’m not moving in from the six months tag. I am not performing that, no.
Drew:
Okay, okay. Completely, completely, totally. Wow. Okay. So you keep online dating cross country. She knows that you will need some time this woman is willing to anticipate you. A few more months pass. Its today been over per year. Your landlord lets you know they are attempting to sell your place to a developer who’s investing in condos, you are unable to renew it. You will need to get a hold of a brand new spot. Your own today girl informs you that no stress, but her provide however appears. Would U-Haul?
Christina:
Okay. At this time, i’d U-Haul for 2 factors.
Drew:
Yay! Fine. Kindly inform us.
Christina:
Largely, in a global for which my personal property manager offered my house to cultivate it, my landlord is currently my best friend, to make sure that appears like something went wrong inside our friendship. And I must just leave Philadelphia in any event. Assuming I have to maneuver in using my girl over here, that looks okay. That’s good. Totally fine. But yeah, I think i may require an external power like a mean landlord.
Drew:
That’s therefore â ok. I did think that you would need to require housing to have there, and so I’m happy We realized that.
Christina:
Yeah. That is exactly what needs to eventually me personally first.
Drew:
Really, I’m grateful to understand what it’s going to take. Very in theory, if you weren’t knocked out, how much more time?
Christina:
Really, that could went on for some time. Philly and New York are not even that definately not each other. I managed to get space over right here. We’re bouncing forward and backward. We are having good times. I possibly could have try to let that roll for a long time until i assume Shoshana becomes the worst person i understand.
Drew:
I did not realize Shoshana owned your home. Well, there you are going.
Christina:
There we get. Wow, which was thrilling.
Drew:
Well, many thanks for playing.
Christina:
I am pressured, getting clear.
Drew:
And that I’m grateful that i understand⦠Maybe in case you are previously, therefore if anybody’s ever matchmaking you and wants one to move around in, maybe the girlfriend informed Shoshana to sell the home in the interest of your own union.
Christina:
Genuinely the quickest method â some one would simply have to talk to Shoshana and be want, “simply kick the girl on.” Immediately after which she’d wind up as, “Yeah, positive. Of course.” That might be how it occurred, although she didn’t promote our home. Some one would you should be like, “Could you just kick her away very she’s going to only conquer it and relocate beside me?” And she’d say yes. Double she’d do this. That is what friendship is actually.
Drew:
I favor that.
Christina:
Yeah, that’s actually beautiful.
Drew:
Really, I believe like we discovered many about you.
Christina:
Thanks A Lot. Personally I think like We learned lots about myself personally, too. Threat of homelessness is actually the matter that helps to keep myself relocating any scenario, i assume. Wow.
Drew:
Well, that’s fantastic.
Christina:
That has been actually thrilling. I’m equally thrilled to maneuver into the primary sector because i do believe making reference to lesbian connectivity using this visitor, because of this special visitor, In my opinion it’s going to be incredible, Drew. How are you currently feeling?
Drew:
I’m so excited. This will be specialized. And by that, I mean an
L Keyword
specialist, but also some an expert into the subject accessible.
Christina:
I think a couple of things are correct, my friend. In my opinion two things can be correct undoubtedly. Will we would you like to present the guest or will we desire our visitor to introduce on their own?
Drew:
I would personally love the visitor introducing by herself.
Christina:
Guest.
Drew:
I am going to say that our visitor will be the only Riese Bernard.
Christina:
Guest, speak.
Riese:
Hi, I’m Riese. And is unusual getting the guest!
Christina:
Yeah, it really is.
Riese:
I got to not say anything. I did not also get it done. I did state circumstances. I experienced to stay right here quietly.
Christina:
And also you had been really brave. Plus confronts happened to be appreciated.
Riese:
Many thanks really.
Christina:
Though it is certainly a sound average, I want our audience to find out that Riese was creating some great response confronts during “Would U-Haul.”
Riese:
Absolutely numerous ways are heard. You-know-what i am talking about? That’s what i say. Im the Chief Executive Officer of Autostraddle.com. And I also’m additionally on an undefeated kickball team. That is certainly myself. I’ve your dog known as Carol. And that I have outdated folks.
Christina:
Congrats on kickball!
Riese:
Thank you so much. I have been involved in folks.
Christina:
Great. Loving that. That’s fantastic to bring for this, this right here matchmaking podcast. That’s really good.
Riese:
Yeah. I believe that⦠Could There Be anything?
Drew:
No, i do believe that’s fantastic, Riese.
Christina:
What you may wish discuss.
Riese:
I really like raspberries, the fresh fruit raspberries, and private pools.
Christina:
As opposed toâ¦
Riese:
You Are Sure That when someone goes likeâ¦
Drew:
It is like whenever you hit. Yeah.
Christina:
Oh. Those are disgusting, thus I just exhausted them from my personal mind.
Riese:
Yeah. And that’s all.
Christina:
Great.
Drew:
Well, we immediately thought of you with this subject.
Christina:
That is correct.
Drew:
Because first, demonstrably, queer women and non-binary folks in lesbian community have already been like, I don’t know, sex with people which people they know have had gender with since a long time before
The L Word
ended up being actually a set. But i really do feel just like
The L Term
solidified a specific social concept of the chart with Alice Pieszecki. I really felt like you’d have lots of insight into this topic.
Riese:
It is correct. Two of the authors, i do want to say, of
The L Term
had this genuine information of these and their pals these were attracting on wall structure or whatever. And Guinevere Turner, I think, had been one of those. She talked to you about this, which they had developed this. Because obviously, everybody for the reason that creator’s space had fucked other folks for the creator â you know, therefore the prolonged internet of these generation of lesbians in Los Angeles. And in addition they watched can they certainly were like, “let us put it in the show.” And a few of these take the chart. Like, some people exactly who ⦠like, genuine individuals are in the data as a tale.
Christina:
That is incredible. That is the way you know you have made it.
Riese:
Is not that lovable?
Christina:
That would be thrilling for me.
Riese:
So when you haven’t viewed
The L Keyword,
first, congrats. Second of all, it will become the centerpiece of one your lead personality, Alice’s, apartment. She has all of it over her wall. And it also may be the title of an online site which they began labeled as ourchart.com that flopped. And concept ⦠and it is when you look at the pilot, In my opinion. In the 1st episode, Alice starts making reference to just how everybody’s connected, because everyone’s hooked up because of this person. And I can connect you, like you’re most likely no more than two degrees far from me. And that was actually real. Like, despite having Dana, who’d very limited experience because she ended up being a closeted golf member, they nonetheless had the ability to connect the lady. And that is real world because it’s true.
Christina:
That’s society. Yeah. That’s what society looks like.
Riese:
That is tradition. Which is queer culture there. Nowadays everyone else can make their particular charts.
Christina:
Yeah. To ensure that would end up being my personal then question, ended up being have actually either of you made a chart? Because I really don’t imagine We have, I am also method of now considering like, the thing that was this last year seated within my residence for easily don’t generate a chart? Like, that was the purpose of that, actually?
Riese:
In my opinion I’ve done it within my log, just like like ⦠Because i love, I am not sure, planning info, i assume, as a thought physical exercise.
Christina:
Yeah, In my opinion that’s also why I am amazed that i’ven’t done it. I love the notion of categorizing situations.
Riese:
Correct. Yeah. Since it is interesting. I’m not sure why it really is therefore interesting, but it’s. It is fascinating is similar, wow, all these people, they’re linked. It is wild.
Drew:
Regarding program, as soon as ourchart.com is actually designed, they’ve a genuine chart that folks can truly add things. And I also feel something that you joked in regards to on
To L and Right Back,
and from now on individuals state continuously is similar to, when this existed in a proper method, not one person would place their particular labels onto it, no-one would feel safe getting their unique names onto it.
Riese:
You would.
Drew:
I would personally. I might be very okay along with it existing. I might never ever include somebody else without their unique authorization. However the notion of like, everytime some one had been like, “concur that you may be attached to me personally,” I’d resemble, “Yeah, it’s the existence i have resided. Really don’t care about.” Is that unusual? Is that a problem?
Christina:
No, because if I becamen’t, I would personally feel terrible not being ⦠i might end up like, “hold off, I’m not onto it? Like, i’m very sorry, what?” No, that could really send me personally into lighting moral anxiety about which i’m as people, everything I’m undertaking. Am we interesting? Would folks {like
gay buddies